
• Meridith Wade (MPOG): I don’t have the de-anonymized graphs available right now, but I think
it would be useful to review this data unblinded in a future meeting, as we’ve done before.
• Vikas O’Reilly-Shah (Seattle Children’s): I can tell you that our rates are abysmal at Seattle
Children’s. We’ve started to analyze this measure internally, and I think more discussions like
this will help persuade clinicians to rethink their dosing practices. Our initial compliance rate for
NMB monitoring was only 18%. We have since increased it to over 80% through focused efforts,
but there’s still room for improvement.
• Morgan Brown (Boston Children’s): I just pulled our numbers at Boston Children’s, and we
actually did better on this metric than I expected. However, I still have concerns about the
rationale behind this measure. I think quantitative monitoring devices in infants are still
unreliable. We’ve tested multiple devices, and for patients who don’t respond well to qualitative
monitoring, the quantitative methods haven’t been significantly better.
o Vikas O’Reilly-Shah (Seattle Children’s): I agree. These devices can be finicky, and I don’t
always trust the values they display. That said, I do think they have a place in
encouraging better monitoring habits, even if the absolute numbers aren’t perfect.
• Morgan Brown (Boston Children’s): Right, and to the point made earlier—package insert dosing
for sugammadex is often inadequate in neonates and infants. I frequently find myself giving a
higher dose than recommended to ensure effective reversal.
• Charles Schrock (St. Louis Children’s): I had one more recommendation regarding exclusion
criteria. Currently, patients who remain on sedative infusions post-extubation are excluded, but
I question whether that’s appropriate. For example, at my institution, we have a significant
number of patients on dexmedetomidine post-extubation, especially for cases like neurosurgery
or post-cardiac catheterization, where surgeons want patients to remain calm and avoid stress
on sutures or puncture sites. Should these patients really be excluded? If they are extubated, we
should assume they were appropriately dosed and monitored, regardless of whether they’re still
receiving sedation.
o Meridith Wade (MPOG): That’s a great point. Right now, our best algorithm for
excluding patients who remain intubated relies on sedative infusions, but we’re actively
working on a phenotype to better capture these cases. Once that’s developed, we can
replace the current exclusion method with something more accurate. I’ll update the
committee when that’s ready.
• Charles Schrock (St. Louis Children’s): That makes sense. Since this measure evaluates the first
action of anesthesia, it’s not critical if a few patients remain intubated post-op, but we should
avoid unintentionally excluding extubated patients who received sedation.
• Nirav Shah (MPOG Director): I had a question about dose adjustments for longer cases. Morgan,
you mentioned earlier that if a case is expected to last longer, you may intentionally use a higher
initial dose. Would it make sense to exclude long cases from failing the measure, given that
higher dosing might be justified?
o Morgan Brown (Boston Children’s): Personally, I think that’s reasonable. If I know a case
is going to be three hours or longer, I’ll typically give a higher dose upfront rather than
having to redose frequently.